[Ros, Amanda L] 09:59:23
I got elected to an Ifla committee, so I will be going to my first if look conference this summer, and it's going to be in Rotterdam. [Magda Zacharska] 09:59:26
Oh, Uhhuh! [Magda Zacharska] 09:59:34
Oh, it is exciting! [Erin Nettifee] 09:59:35
Oh, that's exciting! [Ros, Amanda L] 09:59:36
Yeah, but it overlaps with Wolfcon. [Ros, Amanda L] 09:59:39
I was kind of excited that I was gonna do my first Wolfcon and my boss is like Wolfcon Rotterdam, Chicago, Rotterdam. [Ros, Amanda L] 09:59:49
He's like, go to Rotterdale. [Erin Nettifee] 09:59:50
Welcome. Yeah, we'll call it gonna be interesting, because, like Stanford, people are gonna be able to go, because that's their implementation. [Erin Nettifee] 09:59:57
It's like that week, you know. So it's there's gonna be some scattered necessary. [Ros, Amanda L] 09:59:57
Hello! [Ros, Amanda L] 10:00:02
Yeah. But anyway. [Erin Nettifee] 10:00:02
I think, but yeah, no go to Europe is work paying. [Erin Nettifee] 10:00:08
I hope they're paying for your flight. [Ros, Amanda L] 10:00:08
They're they're paying for most of it, because I didn't know I was gonna get nominated. [Ros, Amanda L] 10:00:14
And I didn't know I was gonna win the election. [Ros, Amanda L] 10:00:15
So I went to Core Forum for Ala, and spent part of my funding that we get in October. [Erin Nettifee] 10:00:22
You start. [Ros, Amanda L] 10:00:25
So, however, one of my friends who left our university has decided she's going to so I'll have a roommate so that will definitely cut down. [Erin Nettifee] 10:00:33
Oh, there you go! [Ros, Amanda L] 10:00:37
But I'll be going to Brussels for a pre-meeting, and then to Rotterdam for a week. [Erin Nettifee] 10:00:45
What committee are you on? [Ros, Amanda L] 10:00:47
I got aed to the Subject Access Committee. [Erin Nettifee] 10:00:53
Okay, what does that committee do? [Ros, Amanda L] 10:00:54
The subject well, the subject, analysis and Access committee, so basically stuff dealing with subject headings. [Erin Nettifee] 10:01:03
Okay. [Ros, Amanda L] 10:01:03
And you know, and stuff like that. So and I think I'm going to be presenting on holocaust denial literature. [Erin Nettifee] 10:01:15
Nice! That's exciting! [Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:01:21
So see, I just finished up the 3 21 notes. [Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:01:28
So does that mean after today I'm 3 weeks behind, or was there one that was? [Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:01:34
Is it? 3 weeks of notes? 3 meetings. [Magda Zacharska] 10:01:34
I'll let. I don't let me double check when. [Erin Nettifee] 10:01:41
Somebody else did did a week. They thought. [Magda Zacharska] 10:01:43
Last week. Jennifer was coming to take notes. [Magda Zacharska] 10:01:50
If you are in March when the second, then there's 1, 2! [Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:01:58
2. Then there's 2. [Magda Zacharska] 10:02:01
Hold on in the wrong place. Yeah. Twenty-first. [Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:02:03
Okay. Okay. [Magda Zacharska] 10:02:08
So, but they see. Yes, the second was handled by a Jennifer. [Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:02:08
The fourth, and the second. [Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:02:12
Okay. [Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:02:15
Oh! The fourth! [Magda Zacharska] 10:02:17
So it's on the one. Yes, I was worried. We scared you off, and you will never show up again. [Magda Zacharska] 10:02:23
No. [Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:02:24
No, I just been caught up with some other thing. [Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:02:27
I have I couldn't make the other meeting last week, so I apologize and then I'm just behind. [Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:02:32
So I'm fine continuing. [Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:02:39
If you still have me. But if someone! [Magda Zacharska] 10:02:41
If you, if you can continue, that would be awesome. If it's too much, feel free to to let us know, and we will try to find maybe all the meeting by meeting basis for volunteers. [Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:02:56
Yeah, whatever works best for the group. But I'm willing to continue doing what I've been doing. [Ros, Amanda L] 10:03:03
Well, I say, thank you, Bob. This is the most organized folio group that I go to, because every all the others are like, Okay, who wants to be? [Ros, Amanda L] 10:03:15
Note taker who wants to be note taker, and I'm like, why can't we do like we do, and bulk at it? [Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:03:17
I know, I always yeah. [Ros, Amanda L] 10:03:19
But see, I have a slight disability, so I only type with one hand, so I do not ever volunteer to take notes, because I'm just yeah. [Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:03:27
Well, it's a lot easier doing it after the fact. [Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:03:30
Yeah. Thomas, I love your Thomas. I love your picture. [Ros, Amanda L] 10:03:32
But thank you. [Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:03:36
That looks so real. I thought you were. You were live for a second. [Thomas Trutt] 10:03:40
Thanks to sign on our trip, someone snap! I was staring off into nothing. That's why other people were complaining about that. [Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:03:43
Yeah. [Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:03:49
Alright, I'm sorry. Hi! Digress! [Thomas Trutt] 10:03:52
It's okay. [Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:03:53
Yeah. [Magda Zacharska] 10:03:57
Let me share my screen, and we can start the meeting, and I cannot see the button for sharing my screen. [Magda Zacharska] 10:04:17
Okay. [Magda Zacharska] 10:04:29
Can you see my screen? And you should see the agenda? [Erin Nettifee] 10:04:32
Yes, yup! [Magda Zacharska] 10:04:37
Perfect, because this is another parts, and I'm sharing the right screen or not. [Magda Zacharska] 10:04:48
And. [Magda Zacharska] 10:04:53
Here we go. So let's start with the house, keeping, as always. [Magda Zacharska] 10:05:01
Please add your name to the attendees list. I know the transcript is enable. [Magda Zacharska] 10:05:09
Thank you very much, Bob, for taking notes again. We really appreciate that. [Magda Zacharska] 10:05:17
And the question I would like to post to the group is about the. [Magda Zacharska] 10:05:24
User acceptance testing for Poppy. I really liked what we did in our Kate when we devoted one of our meeting. [Magda Zacharska] 10:05:34
And it's a group exercise. So someone was making it back editing while other were watching this was very helpful for me. [Magda Zacharska] 10:05:46
Would that work for the group, or would you rather have? [Magda Zacharska] 10:05:50
An environment available for longer type and time, and do it by yourself. [Jennifer Eustis] 10:06:01
That works for me. I like doing it with the groups, because besides, everyone that's looking at youth, and you know, it's like running on a chalkboard. But yeah, that sounds good. [Magda Zacharska] 10:06:13
And for. [Leeda Adkins] 10:06:13
Yeah, I'd like I'd like that, too. [Magda Zacharska] 10:06:18
Great. Thank you very much for me. This was very helpful just to observe you how you work with it. [Magda Zacharska] 10:06:26
With the app. So if we can do this again, that would be. [Magda Zacharska] 10:06:31
That would be great would next meeting, which is May thirtieth. Day after memory. [Magda Zacharska] 10:06:39
Are we in Memorial Day work for this group, or would you rather do it? On June thirteenth? [Ros, Amanda L] 10:06:47
May works for me. [Jennifer Eustis] 10:06:51
May works for me too. [Leeda Adkins] 10:06:52
Meet me too! [Magda Zacharska] 10:06:57
Great. I rather have it earlier than later. So thank you. [Magda Zacharska] 10:07:07
Then, is there anything else you would like to bring up before we move to the agenda? [Magda Zacharska] 10:07:19
Okay. I will skip through the development status and scrambled, and the scrum board feel free to access the snapshot and see how the suppressing of the item records from discovery works. [Magda Zacharska] 10:07:37
Other bugs bug fixes, but I don't want to show that we are going through the issues brought up by the. [Magda Zacharska] 10:07:52
A user acceptance testing for orchid. And hopefully, Jira will open before the end of the meeting. [Magda Zacharska] 10:08:00
I don't know why it's so slow when I'm starting to screen. [Magda Zacharska] 10:08:06
Anyway, if you click the link you'll see the progress we are doing on the issues race. [Magda Zacharska] 10:08:15
During the last user acceptance testing. [Magda Zacharska] 10:08:24
I really don't know why it takes so long. [Magda Zacharska] 10:08:29
Oh! Here we go! So there were 8 issues that we brought up. [Magda Zacharska] 10:08:36
We addressed that sticky columns, the that the log, the columns on the log page fixed the birth date that was showing the time, and the incorrect sort order on the log scene. [Magda Zacharska] 10:08:57
We will talk about a reordering columns alphabetically today. [Magda Zacharska] 10:09:05
Time permitting, and we still need to talk about the instance. [Magda Zacharska] 10:09:11
And featuring by start and then date. Hopefully, we will be able to do this in in terms. [Magda Zacharska] 10:09:23
Are you rearranged a little bit order of of the meeting? [Magda Zacharska] 10:09:28
I would like to quickly go through it. Follow up on the issues we discussed last time the behavior of finds and replace mainly find part of the fight and replace and find and remove actions. [Magda Zacharska] 10:09:50
I also would like to follow up on the suppressing IP. [Magda Zacharska] 10:09:55
S when suppressing holdings. This was something we talk a little bit in slack, and my journey of the time I would like to spend on the bucketed permissions because we've been. [Magda Zacharska] 10:10:06
We have this on agenda for a while, and we always run out of time. [Magda Zacharska] 10:10:13
So I would like this to to be addressed today and the time permitting, we will go back to questions from the Dev team, the follow up also from our last last week. [Magda Zacharska] 10:10:28
So at first suppressing items, while suppressing holdings. [Magda Zacharska] 10:10:36
When we discussed this in slack, the consensus was that you would like to have this configurable. [Magda Zacharska] 10:10:45
Let me like me, set it to presenter mode. [Magda Zacharska] 10:10:49
So it is easy to. Can you see that? [Jennifer Eustis] 10:10:58
It's a little small. [Erin Nettifee] 10:11:00
We do that control? [Magda Zacharska] 10:11:04
Hold on, yeah, and let's meet control plus. But I don't know if I oh, okay, well, then, okay. [Erin Nettifee] 10:11:06
No, this is a screenshot, but I'm not sure, though. [Erin Nettifee] 10:11:15
Can I have this? Yeah, that didn't really, that didn't really do anything alright, whatever. [Magda Zacharska] 10:11:21
So there are 2 parts that I would like to propose. [Magda Zacharska] 10:11:28
This is, for this is for suppressing holdings, record. [Magda Zacharska] 10:11:38
Let me make it a little bit bigger, maybe one more time, and. [Magda Zacharska] 10:11:48
So is, does it work for you, or? [Jennifer Eustis] 10:11:52
Yes, thank you. Malika. [Erin Nettifee] 10:11:53
Yeah, that's better. Yeah. [Magda Zacharska] 10:11:55
And so the behavior is the same as suppressing items from discovery. [Magda Zacharska] 10:12:04
The option is suppressed from discovery, option set and set set through our set phones the same way. [Magda Zacharska] 10:12:14
This is done for items, and here is the option. [Magda Zacharska] 10:12:20
For the checkbox applied to the item record item items, records. [Magda Zacharska] 10:12:27
Or whatever the verb it should be. This is one option and the other option. [Magda Zacharska] 10:12:35
And let me escape, and the other option would be to. [Magda Zacharska] 10:12:47
To just add to additional options. One sets through and set false, and this would be holdings online, are set to set falls, including items which one of which of those 2 options would work for you better. [Magda Zacharska] 10:13:10
Oh, of course we can change the verbiage that would make a more sense for you. [Magda Zacharska] 10:13:16
So 2 options, one action menu with 2 values set through and set, falls with check box. [Magda Zacharska] 10:13:28
That will let the like librarian know or decide if they want to also apply the changes to underlying item records. [Magda Zacharska] 10:13:37
Or to additional options in the dropdown menu. [Jennifer Eustis] 10:13:45
So pardon me, kind of like the box. So the first option, because I can see here, and this happens to me a folio all the time like I go, and especially in Lotus, I would edit in quick mark, and I would end up deriving a new record [Jennifer Eustis] 10:14:05
instead of, you know, because they're right next to each other. [Jennifer Eustis] 10:14:07
And this happens with items to like sometimes. I you know, I like what missing, and it goes to the other status so I think, having the checkbox to the right would kind of may help with that. [Jennifer Eustis] 10:14:23
But I you know it's people want this way, you know. [Jennifer Eustis] 10:14:28
I could be swayed that way, too, and I think the having the checkbox. [Jennifer Eustis] 10:14:36
It kind of. You're still working with holdings and then it's like this is an extra item. [Jennifer Eustis] 10:14:42
So, anyway, that's those are my thoughts. [Magda Zacharska] 10:14:47
Looking at the trial that did. Looks like a majority of you are in favor of checkbox. [Magda Zacharska] 10:14:55
If someone has. Hmm feels this is not a how they would like to proceed. [Magda Zacharska] 10:15:05
Please, pick up. [Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:15:10
Can I just ask a quick question because I'm confused if you are supporting a item Bre. [Magda Zacharska] 10:15:23
When you are suppressing item record. [Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:15:25
I'm sorry when you suppress all, when you suppress a holdings. [Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:15:31
Wouldn't the items automatically be suppressed because you can't have a hold it an item without a holding display? [Magda Zacharska] 10:15:41
So this was my original assumption that this is what will happen, that once we suppress holding, so, it will also suppress items. [Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:15:41
Obviously maybe missing something. I'm sorry. [Magda Zacharska] 10:15:59
And this is kind of straightforward. The question is, what would be the expected behavior? [Magda Zacharska] 10:16:07
Once you unsuppress them, because you may want to have a situation that you are unsuppassing holdings, but you would still like to have at least some of the items unsuppressed. [Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:16:08
Oh! Oh! [Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:16:23
Alright. I follow you now. Thank you. [Thomas Trutt] 10:16:34
I'm not sure if they do it anymore. One of the practices that they used to do here is they would suppress the bid holding and item records just to make sure everything was suppressed, even though, like if the baby is suppressed. [Thomas Trutt] 10:16:47
This is the the holdings and items were suppressed. [Thomas Trutt] 10:16:51
If the holdings was suppressed, the Admins were surprised, but they would go through and suppress all 3 layers, just as a precaution. [Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:16:55
Yeah. [Ros, Amanda L] 10:16:55
Yeah, we did that, too, with voyager. [Magda Zacharska] 10:16:58
So this is how also it works in Oapm age, when when the item is suppressed, everything is marked as suppressed as well. [Magda Zacharska] 10:17:08
When we harvest, and when when we get to suppressing instances, we will also implement the behavior. [Magda Zacharska] 10:17:18
So following the suppression is kind of straightforward, the problem starts when you unsuppress. [Magda Zacharska] 10:17:26
What do you do with the items underneath? [Magda Zacharska] 10:17:29
Because you may have a use case that the item is the instance is unsuppressed, and one holdings remains to press, and the other holding is not so. [Magda Zacharska] 10:17:43
I like the checkbox idea. We will. We will have it available. [Magda Zacharska] 10:17:50
Okay, let's move to the next question. This was, Let me speed this. [Magda Zacharska] 10:17:57
This was related to search, but not to search, find. When we were talking last time about the supported. [Magda Zacharska] 10:18:14
Supported actions for notes, item notes, and we talk about find and to the place functionality. [Magda Zacharska] 10:18:26
And we got stuck on a little bit on how the find should behave. [Magda Zacharska] 10:18:36
So I think this was the last slide we talk. [Magda Zacharska] 10:18:40
What would be the behavior on find and replace? [Magda Zacharska] 10:18:44
Find and replace. This is one part and the other one is, find and remove. [Magda Zacharska] 10:18:49
If we find a note, then we are when we find a match we are removing entire amount, and I think this was the group agreement that this is the expected behavior. [Magda Zacharska] 10:19:03
We talk about the matching? How the matching will work, and after some, thank you I thought we need to make it as strict as possible without any white cards, etc., to avoid inadvertently making changes or deleting records that we were not wanted to so this will [Magda Zacharska] 10:19:38
be exact, string much. If in the example that I have here we have item with actually 3 checking notes shelved in a special reserves with, We don't shelved with a period shelved in special reserves without period, and the heavy [Magda Zacharska] 10:20:06
underlying and highlighting. If we are looking for special reserves with periods, this will only match the first. [Magda Zacharska] 10:20:20
The same behavior would be if, instead of there was a space. [Magda Zacharska] 10:20:30
Any question on this case. Sensitive. I would like to do this case. [Magda Zacharska] 10:20:38
Sensitive to be as restrictive as possible. [Thomas Trutt] 10:20:39
Okay. [Thomas Trutt] 10:20:43
Okay, I think as long as that's clear. [Thomas Trutt] 10:20:46
I think a lot of people usually assume that it's case. [Thomas Trutt] 10:20:48
Insensitive, but I I would make sure. [Magda Zacharska] 10:20:50
I the good thing about bug edit is that you have this preview screen. [Magda Zacharska] 10:20:59
When you will see that you, for example, did not change something that you expected. [Thomas Trutt] 10:21:05
Right. [Magda Zacharska] 10:21:07
So I rather make it as restrictive as possible, and then users will update. [Magda Zacharska] 10:21:15
They find or do it in few, few few runs, instead of having it to relax, and then and make expected changes. [Magda Zacharska] 10:21:28
I see I'm under his handout. Go ahead! [Ros, Amanda L] 10:21:31
In terms of case sensitivity. Aren't these being selected from a pre-populated list that the library has? [Magda Zacharska] 10:21:45
Did the notes? No, because the notes is free entry text. [Ros, Amanda L] 10:21:47
Okay. [Ros, Amanda L] 10:21:51
True. Okay. Yeah. [Magda Zacharska] 10:21:52
You can have everything. So in this case, whatever you type in the text box will be selected. [Magda Zacharska] 10:22:03
And here is additional example. So we have again the same item with 3 notes. [Magda Zacharska] 10:22:10
We are looking for special reserve. [Magda Zacharska] 10:22:16
That would replace the special reserve and preserving us, and periods. [Ros, Amanda L] 10:22:28
I don't know. I I would like case insensitivity, simply because, as we're talking about notes being free tech. [Ros, Amanda L] 10:22:42
Everyone I've ever worked in, including the one that I'm at now. [Ros, Amanda L] 10:22:47
There's always been some sort of inconvenience. See? It could be a typo. [Ros, Amanda L] 10:22:52
It could be the over time we've changed what we do for a note, you know, so I would. [Ros, Amanda L] 10:23:03
I would vote for case insensitivity, just so that it would. [Ros, Amanda L] 10:23:09
It would allow for if somebody typed in reach room with a capital R, because that's the name of the location, or if somebody had put in a note and either forgot to hit the shift when they put waiting room in, or you know, so. [Magda Zacharska] 10:23:25
Hmm! [Ros, Amanda L] 10:23:31
That's my thought on that, because I know that with free text, there's always gonna be inconsistency. [Magda Zacharska] 10:23:43
How other feel a about that? [Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:23:48
I know in our old system, you know, we were often want to make things consistent, and would search for things that were not correct in terms of the case. [Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:24:02
Case, upper or lower. So I would wanna be able to search specifically for lowercase or uppercase to fix them. [Magda Zacharska] 10:24:12
I would like to make sure that we are not talking here about searching for records we are searching for a strength that we would like to replace. [Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:24:24
Yeah. [Magda Zacharska] 10:24:26
So this is not you already identified the records you want to update. [Magda Zacharska] 10:24:34
This is for looking for a strength, and as if if in the search, you may want to be more flexible. [Magda Zacharska] 10:24:47
Finding the string that will determine if the record is, if they're not, is removed, or if the tax is replaced, I don't want to be too flexible. [Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:24:54
I see. [Magda Zacharska] 10:25:03
I rather have the user do it twice, because. [Ros, Amanda L] 10:25:07
And that's fine. I mean, you know, that's just my feeling on it. [Ros, Amanda L] 10:25:13
But I mean I don't feel so strongly. I mean, you know, I can go either way. [Ros, Amanda L] 10:25:18
But that was just my thinking about it. Like you said if it means to be run twice, based on case sensitivity, so be it. [Ros, Amanda L] 10:25:28
I mean I you know I. [Ros, Amanda L] 10:25:32
It was. It was something that I was thinking about. But I'm not like. [Ros, Amanda L] 10:25:38
The strongly holding onto it. [Magda Zacharska] 10:25:42
I would like rather to change in if anyone has feelings about that. [Magda Zacharska] 10:25:49
If your thing, my approach, to make it restrictive is there a right one or the wrong one? [Magda Zacharska] 10:25:59
I'd rather avoid unintended changes. But if you think this is too restrictive and it may, it doesn't support your needs. Please let me know. [Magda Zacharska] 10:26:14
Go ahead! [Autumn Faulkner (she/her)] 10:26:18
I just wanna make sure I'm understanding this correctly. [Autumn Faulkner (she/her)] 10:26:21
So the search that has already been done by the time we get to this point does allow for some more flexibility right? [Autumn Faulkner (she/her)] 10:26:32
It is not a case sensitive search. So you could actually do a search for anything with a note that contains the words Reading Room. [Magda Zacharska] 10:26:32
Exactly. [Autumn Faulkner (she/her)] 10:26:40
And then when you get to the find and replace step, that's when it becomes more restrictive because you would want to. [Autumn Faulkner (she/her)] 10:26:50
In many cases alter the punctuation or the case. [Autumn Faulkner (she/her)] 10:26:55
Sensitivity of those notes, you know, you might have a variety of capitalization. [Autumn Faulkner (she/her)] 10:27:00
These situations in your search results. So you'd want to capture anything that wasn't, and vice versa. [Autumn Faulkner (she/her)] 10:27:11
Maybe so, if I understand that, or if I've understood that correctly, I think I do vote for a more restrictive find and replace functionality. [Magda Zacharska] 10:27:19
That's exactly how I feel. Autumn and. [Autumn Faulkner (she/her)] 10:27:19
Okay. [Magda Zacharska] 10:27:27
What we are discussing right now. It's not searching for the record you already. [Magda Zacharska] 10:27:33
By the time you get to the point. What we are discussing you already have your your set of records. [Magda Zacharska] 10:27:41
So I think we agree on this. [Magda Zacharska] 10:27:49
The Adam. Do you want to add? Add anything else or no? [Autumn Faulkner (she/her)] 10:27:53
Sorry. No, I had to take it down. [Magda Zacharska] 10:27:54
You just, Jennifer. I see you have pen. [Jennifer Eustis] 10:28:00
Yeah, I was just gonna say, you know, you know, like what autumn just said or other people, I would do my analysis, you know. [Jennifer Eustis] 10:28:09
Probably with Ld light. That's the tool we have. [Jennifer Eustis] 10:28:14
And so then, you know, if I have a variety of inconsistencies, you know that I might not pick, find, and replace, I might do like delete, and then add, or something like that, so that so I'm fine with the case from you know, the determination of what to do would really be [Jennifer Eustis] 10:28:30
beforehand, since I already knew the set I'd be working with. [Magda Zacharska] 10:28:38
Any other comments? Or could we move to the permissions? [Magda Zacharska] 10:28:50
I'm monitoring the should. Hmm, Bob, regarding the truncation, and while Wildcard, this is a again, we are doing restrictive. [Magda Zacharska] 10:29:05
No wild card, no truncation. This will be more for the search of the records. [Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:29:10
Right. I get it now. Yup! [Magda Zacharska] 10:29:13
Oh, okay, great. Thank you. So thank you. This was again very helpful. [Magda Zacharska] 10:29:21
And let me know. [Magda Zacharska] 10:29:26
Let me move to, and permissions. [Magda Zacharska] 10:29:33
We talk about this, I think we started at least couple of times. [Magda Zacharska] 10:29:38
I would like to start from the beginning to make sure we all are on on the same page. [Magda Zacharska] 10:29:46
If I'm repeating myself, please stop me at any time, and we move to the next part. [Magda Zacharska] 10:29:52
So on this page I grouped the issues in 2 tables, one debug edit app permissions, the one that exists now, and what they are giving you in the app. [Magda Zacharska] 10:30:07
And then there are the permissions. [Magda Zacharska] 10:30:13
That are up specific that will allow you to act on on the records. [Magda Zacharska] 10:30:19
So I would like to start with the bug edit permissions, as they are known. [Magda Zacharska] 10:30:28
Now we will need to change the naming convention, because how the app is maturing. [Magda Zacharska] 10:30:38
Alright, maybe still not maturing, but growing in functionality. [Magda Zacharska] 10:30:44
So there are 2 groups are inbound edit permissions in App and Csv. [Magda Zacharska] 10:30:54
In app supports, inventory records because we introduced them one a 1, one. [Magda Zacharska] 10:31:03
The decision was made that the in-up approach is the preferred. [Magda Zacharska] 10:31:08
So we lift Csv approach and it supports only user records. [Magda Zacharska] 10:31:17
In-up approach has a view and added, and this refers to inventory and records online. [Magda Zacharska] 10:31:26
But we also added the bulk added in up update user records, because we now also support some functionality for user records in App. [Magda Zacharska] 10:31:43
Is this clear, or is this confusing? [Erin Nettifee] 10:32:03
I think it's I think it's my the only thing that is coming to my mind is a little pedantic, but just we should be. [Erin Nettifee] 10:32:13
We should be consistent in using and dashes and looking at that log permission, just in terms of an email. [Erin Nettifee] 10:32:22
But that's definitely not an urgent fix. [Magda Zacharska] 10:32:25
Umhm. You are absolutely right. [Erin Nettifee] 10:32:29
But the other stuff, I think, feels okay. And in general, we expect that we're not adding to the Csv functionality from here on forward. [Magda Zacharska] 10:32:38
That's correct, that is correct, for now, until I hear from from you that implementing properties by property takes so long, and you need to have a functionality that will quickly quickly allow you to edit records, then we can reduce it to the Csv approach I also, think that once we [Erin Nettifee] 10:32:57
Okay. [Magda Zacharska] 10:33:05
start showing all the records, not only the records that top 10 records that much that may also change a little bit, conversation. [Magda Zacharska] 10:33:15
So at this point in up is our highest priority, and we are trying to add as quickly as possible. [Magda Zacharska] 10:33:24
But it takes time, as you've seen. So this is what this is right. [Erin Nettifee] 10:33:27
Sure! [Magda Zacharska] 10:33:32
Now, this is the naming convention, and thank you, Erin, for pointing out that, in consistency we need to be consistent. [Magda Zacharska] 10:33:42
So we will make the change just quick. [Erin Nettifee] 10:33:44
Yeah. [Magda Zacharska] 10:33:46
Overview what each of the permission gives the user. [Magda Zacharska] 10:33:53
So with all of those permissions. The Hmm. [Magda Zacharska] 10:34:01
Log edit app is visible. You can see the Icon. [Magda Zacharska] 10:34:05
Then, if you have a view, bug edit, view, and then of the bucketed view option, you can only see the identifiers tab nothing else. [Magda Zacharska] 10:34:22
Also. Action. Menu is hidden so you can upload the file with the itemifiers and identifiers will be displayed. [Magda Zacharska] 10:34:32
But you cannot do anything else with them, and as I mentioned the the in-up view are giving you right now, only inventory item and holdings. [Magda Zacharska] 10:34:45
Csv. Gives you us records, and in-up user update user records gives you access only to users and users permissions. [Magda Zacharska] 10:34:57
Once we implement that. [Magda Zacharska] 10:35:00
The separate permissions? Is the query, this is what we introduce in Arcade, and that is the permission for the for the and logs. [Magda Zacharska] 10:35:14
Gives you the access to the logs. [Erin Nettifee] 10:35:17
Right, and query isn't working yet. So you just. [Magda Zacharska] 10:35:21
And it will not be working in Poppy because we did the Ui work. [Magda Zacharska] 10:35:27
But the back end is logging back in. It's not completed, so it will be hidden in puppy as well. [Erin Nettifee] 10:35:37
Right, but the permission is visible. So you just wanna make sure you don't give the permission to somebody. [Magda Zacharska] 10:35:42
Exactly. [Erin Nettifee] 10:35:44
For the permission, and also in this call. [Magda Zacharska] 10:35:48
The permission is visible, so that you can hide it unless you think it would make sense. [Magda Zacharska] 10:35:56
If we if we programmatically how the the query Tab! [Magda Zacharska] 10:36:04
So it is not confusing, and it does not require adding any permissions at the end of the copy. And then, once the backend. [Erin Nettifee] 10:36:11
No, I think having query is its own permission makes a lot of sense. [Erin Nettifee] 10:36:15
I just wanted to make sure I understood what was going on. [Erin Nettifee] 10:36:19
Sorry I have like really lost gardeners outside my window. [Magda Zacharska] 10:36:21
Nothing I can hear. So and I I can relate to this, and then any other comments about this, and the permissions, and how they work. [Magda Zacharska] 10:36:39
Okay? So that a quick comment for the user to see all the the tubs the user will need to have bulkheaded in up or bulgated Csv, the query permissions and the view logs permission. [Magda Zacharska] 10:37:01
This is, those are the permissions, the app level permissions that actually allow user to do something with the records. [Magda Zacharska] 10:37:15
If and this is records by record type with inventory view, create and edit items. [Magda Zacharska] 10:37:25
The user items are, and then enabled holdings are disabled. [Magda Zacharska] 10:37:32
Users are disabled and user permissions are disabled. [Magda Zacharska] 10:37:36
I have a question below, and I believe we talked about that before, but I just wanted to hear your. [Magda Zacharska] 10:37:52
Should we hide something that the user does not have permission? [Magda Zacharska] 10:37:58
Or should we disabled it? Meaning, if the user has view, create edit items that would, they will see on the inventory. [Magda Zacharska] 10:38:09
Items and holdings, users and user participants and everything else. [Magda Zacharska] 10:38:16
We will add later, would be hidden. [Erin Nettifee] 10:38:26
Fully a general pattern used to hide. I think I think that's actually part of the Ux. [Erin Nettifee] 10:38:33
But. [Magda Zacharska] 10:38:34
And this is actually what we do in the action menu in the action menu. [Erin Nettifee] 10:38:38
Yeah. [Magda Zacharska] 10:38:40
If you don't have permission, you just don't see the option, but this is not what we currently do. [Magda Zacharska] 10:38:49
In in the left pane, with the supported records. [Erin Nettifee] 10:38:53
Sure. Yeah. [Magda Zacharska] 10:38:54
Puts the [Magda Zacharska] 10:38:59
Puts the the link to the pattern. So it actually, yeah. [Erin Nettifee] 10:39:01
Yeah. [Magda Zacharska] 10:39:05
And I see other side hide. Okay, that makes sense. [Erin Nettifee] 10:39:09
Jennifer Jennifer has your hand up. [Magda Zacharska] 10:39:11
Go ahead, Jennifer! [Jennifer Eustis] 10:39:13
Yeah, I've seen folio actually just gray it out rather than hide it. [Jennifer Eustis] 10:39:18
And I can't remember where, but I think hiding it is better because I mean it. [Jennifer Eustis] 10:39:28
Yeah, I would prefer to hide it. [Magda Zacharska] 10:39:29
Okay, so this is not what is implemented right now. But we will do this for Poppy we'll just hide with them. [Magda Zacharska] 10:39:39
So going back to the item, those are disabled, they will be hidden. [Magda Zacharska] 10:39:47
So user can upload the file with identifiediers. [Magda Zacharska] 10:39:53
The preview of much records is visible as displayed. [Magda Zacharska] 10:39:58
The a download of matching record is enabled and download the errors enabled start bug edit is Hidden. [Magda Zacharska] 10:40:11
Because this is the user records. Permission start bug edit is enabled and select column is enabled, as well. [Magda Zacharska] 10:40:22
The same behavior. Identical behavior is for holdings. [Magda Zacharska] 10:40:29
And holdings, instances, holdings, and items give you both, gives you access to items and holdings, record. [Magda Zacharska] 10:40:44
And I don't want to go through all those columns, because I believe this is self explicit unless you want me to. [Erin Nettifee] 10:40:57
Yeah, that makes sense to me. I like this, this table. [Erin Nettifee] 10:41:02
It's very helpful, so I appreciate that you put it together. [Magda Zacharska] 10:41:05
Thank you very much, so we will be adding, once we be adding more, so this is the place to keep track of the changes for the user profile with users is a little bit more complicated because we have sosb and you know, approach. [Ros, Amanda L] 10:41:05
Yes, it's very clear. [Erin Nettifee] 10:41:08
Yeah. [Magda Zacharska] 10:41:29
But we are very. [Magda Zacharska] 10:41:39
Cognizance of the fact that we don't want. [Magda Zacharska] 10:41:45
Authorized users to see the details of a user records. [Magda Zacharska] 10:41:51
So the behavior is similar. If you can view the if you can view the user profile. [Magda Zacharska] 10:42:02
You can. You can see users, but you don't see the user permissions. [Magda Zacharska] 10:42:11
You can upload the file with identity ears only for the user records. [Magda Zacharska] 10:42:18
You see your see, the. [Magda Zacharska] 10:42:23
To preview. You can download them. You can download it, or but you cannot start bug editing the You cannot do the bulk, added. [Magda Zacharska] 10:42:42
Any part in the Ui. But you can select the columns. [Magda Zacharska] 10:42:49
That change a little bit when the user has edited permission, because in this case you still cannot. [Magda Zacharska] 10:43:01
You still cannot see the inventory items, and you still can not see the user permissions, because those require a separate permission. [Magda Zacharska] 10:43:10
But you can. But you can start Csv, and you can do the start and edit in App. [Magda Zacharska] 10:43:23
And the last permission is for the. [Magda Zacharska] 10:43:33
Assigning and unassigning user permission. [Magda Zacharska] 10:43:35
It's a separate issue. [Magda Zacharska] 10:43:38
So the if the user has only this permission, the only option will be user permission. [Magda Zacharska] 10:43:46
They can upload the list of identifiers, they will see that the preview they will be able download matching records, download er errors. [Magda Zacharska] 10:44:01
The Csv approach is hidden, but in app approach is supported, and selection of the support. [Magda Zacharska] 10:44:13
Any questions on this. [Erin Nettifee] 10:44:14
So the only thing I'll mention Magda, which may be more of a thing for the developers. [Erin Nettifee] 10:44:22
Is that the view permissions assigned to users contains viewing the user chrome and assigning an unassigning permissions, contains editing the user profile. [Erin Nettifee] 10:44:33
So if they're looking at that list of permissions and making and using that to control the ui, it it may be the case that you know, assigning an unassigned permissions would look like they also have edit users right? [Erin Nettifee] 10:44:49
So you may not be able to segment them this separately, that easily. [Magda Zacharska] 10:44:54
Because they are available are okay. [Erin Nettifee] 10:44:56
Right, because they have the submission structure. Yeah, yeah. And so if it turns out that it's really difficult to do that, I think you could make a case that you don't need a segment goes out. [Erin Nettifee] 10:45:10
But I it's worth investigating. [Magda Zacharska] 10:45:13
Okay, thank you. This is a good point. [Erin Nettifee] 10:45:16
Yeah. [Erin Nettifee] 10:45:22
Cause. Ideally, I do agree that I think you would keep them separate just for real clarity. [Erin Nettifee] 10:45:28
But it may be that it's really difficult to do. [Magda Zacharska] 10:45:34
So the logs the logs permission, because in the locks permissions in the logs, when you are in the logs you can download the files with everything, and maybe this is not so dangerous for a inventory data. [Magda Zacharska] 10:45:56
But again it is, and important for user security. [Magda Zacharska] 10:46:07
And for security of user data. So again, what the permission does if you have in the inventory. [Magda Zacharska] 10:46:22
The filtering on the log page. Should it only contain item records. [Magda Zacharska] 10:46:30
Or should we hide? Should we made other filters available? [Magda Zacharska] 10:46:41
So if we go to. [Magda Zacharska] 10:46:51
How much they all we have! [Magda Zacharska] 10:46:54
I want to open the. [Magda Zacharska] 10:47:24
So if the user have item permissions online, should this filter show on item? [Magda Zacharska] 10:47:37
Should we allow them to filtering by all of them? [Magda Zacharska] 10:47:43
Of all record types. [Magda Zacharska] 10:47:48
So in the example, here I am a user that has permission to edit item records. [Magda Zacharska] 10:47:58
And I have permission to see the logs I mean the logs. [Magda Zacharska] 10:48:03
Should I be able to see the users, budgets or not? [Ros, Amanda L] 10:48:15
I agree with Bob for only items, but at the same time I don't know that it makes a whole lot of difference. [Thomas Trutt] 10:48:28
Let me do anything. [Ros, Amanda L] 10:48:29
Because I mean, you know, I can see what somebody in our circulation department has done with users. [Ros, Amanda L] 10:48:36
But do I really care? [Magda Zacharska] 10:48:39
You do care? Because well, we can disable this right here. You can. [Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:48:47
Yeah. [Magda Zacharska] 10:48:47
Download the file. This was actually good, not good example, because there were errors, but if you export it here users, you can download the file with matching records. [Ros, Amanda L] 10:49:04
Oh, okay, then, yeah. Only items because of, I mean, I agree with what Lynn put in the chat. [Magda Zacharska] 10:49:04
Mp, okay. [Magda Zacharska] 10:49:13
Download anything exactly. So what we can do we can disable to the downloading part. [Magda Zacharska] 10:49:21
The action menu, and let them see everything. What is going on? [Magda Zacharska] 10:49:29
The value of showing everyone what's going on, and I don't know if this is a value or not. [Magda Zacharska] 10:49:37
If, I'm about to do the large export of item records, I would like to see it to go to the log and see what else is going on, and if I see that there is a large export of user records going on, right now then I may be aware that my ex my bucket it may [Magda Zacharska] 10:50:00
take longer, or maybe queues. [Ros, Amanda L] 10:50:01
Yeah, totally agree with that. Because that can't be a problem. [Ros, Amanda L] 10:50:06
And you know I we've had times where we've been like, okay, we only want you to do large files uploads or editing, you know, between. [Ros, Amanda L] 10:50:18
Such and such hours, and you know, if there's several departments that need to do something, then you know, it's even so. [Ros, Amanda L] 10:50:29
Yes, I think that it's a very legitimate point, and I would definitely agree with the that as a reason that I would like to see what else is going on. [Ros, Amanda L] 10:50:46
So that I if there are 2 other big files being worked on, I can say, Okay, well, then, I'm gonna wait and do mine and check again in the next hour and see what's going on. [Magda Zacharska] 10:50:58
So the permissions will not limit the options in the. [Magda Zacharska] 10:51:07
The in the future you would be able to see all, but the action will be disabled if you don't have permission. [Magda Zacharska] 10:51:19
Okay. I'm looking at the at the chat. [Magda Zacharska] 10:51:29
Okay, so basically, we all agree with this. [Magda Zacharska] 10:51:39
So I will update this accordingly, downloading files. [Magda Zacharska] 10:51:45
And this is all. [Magda Zacharska] 10:51:49
And here's some comment. [Magda Zacharska] 10:51:53
If you can view user permission, you can view user profile. [Magda Zacharska] 10:51:58
So that would imply that this would also include user logs. [Magda Zacharska] 10:52:04
So this is what Erin mentioned, as well. [Magda Zacharska] 10:52:12
Is there anything on the permission site you would like us to discuss? [Magda Zacharska] 10:52:28
If not, then I will move to the the question from the development team. [Magda Zacharska] 10:52:39
We had. We talked about the special characters in the notes, especially if this is a new line that causes rendering of the records incorrectly, we need to address this issue before we start working on the editing notes. [Magda Zacharska] 10:53:04
I talked with the developers, and they would like to have examples of lengthy notes that that this can exist. [Magda Zacharska] 10:53:19
We have a spreadsheet with examples of the notes you provided some time ago, but those notes are short. [Magda Zacharska] 10:53:29
If you could add. [Magda Zacharska] 10:53:38
It's still loading. So these are denotes administrative checking notes and item notes. [Magda Zacharska] 10:53:45
If you can provide example of the lengthy note with the for with the for marketing, that would be very helpful for the developers, I will repeat this question in in the slack for those that could not attend the meeting. [Magda Zacharska] 10:54:03
But please add them to this document. If you can do this earlier than later, I would really appreciate. [Ros, Amanda L] 10:54:10
When you say Linky, how lengthy do you? [Ros, Amanda L] 10:54:15
Are you hoping for? [Magda Zacharska] 10:54:16
As lengthy as you need. [Ros, Amanda L] 10:54:18
Okay, I I will ask my. I'm not sure if that's the group to give me their lengthiest notes that they usually use. [Magda Zacharska] 10:54:27
That would be very helpful. Thank you. [Ros, Amanda L] 10:54:30
Okay. [Magda Zacharska] 10:54:32
And if you think the spreadsheet is not a best way to preserve and formatting, please reach out to me so that I can get the example. [Magda Zacharska] 10:54:48
And the last item on the list is the alphabetical order we talk about, or the system of the issue coming from the. [Magda Zacharska] 10:55:01
From the user acceptance testing. It's loading. [Magda Zacharska] 10:55:07
Okay, this needs to go. [Magda Zacharska] 10:55:16
And here is so. This is how the columns are ordered right now, if we. [Magda Zacharska] 10:55:30
If we? [Magda Zacharska] 10:55:34
Make them in alphabetical order. This will be the order that they will be displayed. [Magda Zacharska] 10:55:43
Those involved are the ones that are displayed in the list of matching record. [Magda Zacharska] 10:55:49
So we will not have. Item, Hrid first followed by Barcod. [Magda Zacharska] 10:55:57
We will start with barcode effective call number item, effective location. [Magda Zacharska] 10:56:03
Item, hrit, etc. This is how it looks for items. [Magda Zacharska] 10:56:11
This is the holdings. [Magda Zacharska] 10:56:16
Call, number, call number, prefix comes number suffix would be the first 3 columns, followed by Holdings H. [Magda Zacharska] 10:56:26
R. Id. And holding St. Type, and the third it's the users. [Magda Zacharska] 10:56:33
It would start with the status active. Then barcode email, expiration date. [Magda Zacharska] 10:56:40
What do you think? How should we proceed? [Magda Zacharska] 10:56:48
Should we divide it as it is? Should we make the change, alphabetize them? [Magda Zacharska] 10:56:56
Or do we need more discussion? Should we? Should I start a survey and post it in the. [Magda Zacharska] 10:57:06
Slack! [Jennifer Eustis] 10:57:09
A survey might be good night to cause. Some people had to leave for meetings. [Jennifer Eustis] 10:57:14
Just so we get everyone's voice. [Magda Zacharska] 10:57:16
Okay. [Magda Zacharska] 10:57:19
And those who are present today. And what is your? [Magda Zacharska] 10:57:29
First Impression. [Jennifer Eustis] 10:57:31
You know I could go either way as long as I know which is advertise or not. [Jennifer Eustis] 10:57:39
But yeah, Christina's saying, maybe some more discussion might be good. [Magda Zacharska] 10:57:44
Okay, I I will put put up the survey, and not sure if I'll do this this week. [Magda Zacharska] 10:57:54
But before our next meeting I will put the survey, collect the feedback, and then we will regroup. [Magda Zacharska] 10:58:05
Yeah, I am catching up on chat. [Magda Zacharska] 10:58:10
And yes, we'll come back to this. So this was it, for today we have 2 min left and enjoy those 2 others. [Autumn Faulkner (she/her)] 10:58:25
Magda, could I ask you a question? I don't wanna keep other folks, but if you have a moment I'm sorry to steal your 2 min. [Magda Zacharska] 10:58:26
Yeah, sure. [Magda Zacharska] 10:58:30
Sure, sure, sure! [Autumn Faulkner (she/her)] 10:58:33
So we have a bulk in it question that maybe has been addressed in a jira, that I have not been able to find. [Autumn Faulkner (she/her)] 10:58:42
But one of my folks is finding that when she runs a bulk edit process that changes some items in our test database, we get a report of the number of items changed. [Autumn Faulkner (she/her)] 10:59:00
This usually also happens in our production database, but occasionally, and we we can't determine why this happens when it does, she gets a a report that says 0 items have been changed. [Magda Zacharska] 10:59:12
Uhhuh. [Autumn Faulkner (she/her)] 10:59:14
But the items haven't been been changed. [Autumn Faulkner (she/her)] 10:59:17
It's just the report it's got an error. [Autumn Faulkner (she/her)] 10:59:21
And so we we're wondering why that happens in production. [Autumn Faulkner (she/her)] 10:59:26
But we're also wondering why the behavior might be different between our tests and production databases. [Autumn Faulkner (she/her)] 10:59:31
That one pregnancy for a loop. [Magda Zacharska] 10:59:34
So first question, what the release are you on? On! [Magda Zacharska] 10:59:40
It's no longer right? Okay? Uhhuh. [Autumn Faulkner (she/her)] 10:59:40
We actually moved to orchid, and she was able to test it in orchid. And those are her latest results. [Magda Zacharska] 10:59:47
And the data in the test environment in production is the same. [Autumn Faulkner (she/her)] 10:59:54
It is the same. Yeah, they do a snapshot, I mean, you know, the longer we go from the upgrade the more out of date it is. [Autumn Faulkner (she/her)] 11:00:04
But okay. [Magda Zacharska] 11:00:04
And she sees the different behavior on the same data set in test. [Magda Zacharska] 11:00:13
And it like a. When I said, data set the same list of identifiers in the production and the same list. [Autumn Faulkner (she/her)] 11:00:20
Yeah, I see what you mean. She did not specify that I can clarify that with her, but I think yes, I think she is doing it on the same set of records each time. [Magda Zacharska] 11:00:31
Because if it's, it is a different set of records, then that may be something specific in the record that affects the how this is reporting this, we sell the 0, but on the are you sure form that on this confusion screen before you come in changes it takes [Autumn Faulkner (she/her)] 11:00:44
Got it. Okay. [Autumn Faulkner (she/her)] 11:00:49
Okay. [Magda Zacharska] 11:01:05
a while for the records to display. I did not see this in the on the confirmation screen. [Autumn Faulkner (she/her)] 11:01:12
Okay. [Magda Zacharska] 11:01:14
So if you have, and there is no Jira for this, you are the first one who reports that. [Autumn Faulkner (she/her)] 11:01:18
Okay, okay. So why don't I have her get some screenshots together? [Autumn Faulkner (she/her)] 11:01:25
And I can either. I have never submitted a jira before, but it's probably time to do that. [Autumn Faulkner (she/her)] 11:01:32
If you would like me to. [Magda Zacharska] 11:01:32
If you can create the jira, that would be very helpful for me, and provide as much information as you can, and we will be investigating on our side. [Autumn Faulkner (she/her)] 11:01:40
Okay, okay, sounds good. We'll do that. [Magda Zacharska] 11:01:45
Thank you very much. [Autumn Faulkner (she/her)] 11:01:46
Thank you very much. [Magda Zacharska] 11:01:49
Thank you. Thank you all. See you in 2 weeks. Bye, bye. [Autumn Faulkner (she/her)] 11:01:53
Okay bye, bye.
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